Clive Lloyd joins me today. Clive grabbed my attention for a few reasons. First, he came highly recommended by people I trust. Beautifully ironic give the focus of our conversation. Second, he is generous in helping people like you and I learn and grow and succeed. And thirdly, the focus of his work is on a topic close to my heart, which I didn’t realise wasn't just important in my own experience, but what the academic literature says is vital to effective change.
Dr Jason Fox joins us for a chat today. Jason's name has come up numerous times in previous podcasts, from me and some of my guests. Jason's been on the list to talk to as there are so many points of reference or connectedness, or as Jason says today 'poly-angulating'. Jason's writing and thinking has influenced the way I think and work, and the recent launch of his own podcast The Cleverness [https://www.drjasonfox.com/podcast/] seemed like a great occasion to link up. It was a real pleasure to go meandering with him, and for you to join us.