Previous guest and friend of the show Dr Drew Rae joins us in this episode as we poke at the idea of evidence based practice.  Or more appropriately, the lack of it in health and safety.  Drew is a world-renowned academic, research leader and in-demand speaker from the Safety Science Innovation Lab at Griffith University in Brisbane, Australia.  And he doesn't just mind pointing at elephants in the room, he helps us make sense of our safety practice in the process.

One of the things I explore in my chat with John Lee today is the concept of bureaucracy.  As you'll hear, John has been a senior public servant, a bureaucrat, and I was curious to explore the linkage between being a bureaucrat, working in the bureaucracy, and the bureaucracy that is so often associated with health and safety. I talk a bit in the interview about him and his history, so I won't repeat that here, suffice it to say when I met John, I was leaning in and wanted to get to know him more, so you get to listen in too! Here's John:

Asking questions is a great way to learn, to grow and improve.  Today, my question for you, is what's it for?